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2/6/2013 9:58:00 PM
Letter: Politics polarize neighbors, friends

EDITOR:

Like letter-writers Debra Kaukol and Monica White, I also would like to share a similar incident of intolerance. First, let me preface my story with the fact I grew up in a Democratic area of our country, then lived in Washington D.C. for more then 25 years. Since our recent election, I have been "shunned "in my own neighborhood here in Prescott by a neighbor who votes different then I do.

As a daughter of an immigrant, I was raised to believe in God, my country and the right to practice my faith and political views as I saw fit. I am one who votes for the man and not the party. I also know after living 25 years in D.C. that nothing is ever done without compromise and cooperation.

Shunning was a totally unbelievable experience. One day you are part of a community, the next not talked to, phone calls not returned, ignored when in the other's presences.

I would like to add this "un-Christian" act truly astounded me as well as many of my other neighbors, but I should have been warned that it was possible since I had seen and heard other uncharitable comments and actions by this same neighbor in the past concerning the man who is our president, a man who was elected by a process we have had for over two centuries in our country, a country that gives us all free speech in both words and actions in this blessed country we call the USA.

I have always supported any president duly elected by the nation, considering it my civic duty as a citizen of this country. I will continue to do this whether that president is a Democrat or a Republican.

Karen Grubb

Prescott



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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Hey - we're shunned too!

Now she must see how people in the Republican party feel - on a very wide scale - by the way the American mainstream media treats people who aren't Democrats, liberals, progressives, or worse.

We get that treatment 24/7 from our own network news stations, and the New York Times, LA Times, et al.

Even the president is disparaging of 50% of our country.

Karen - do you think we enjoy it? It's downright un-American. We all have our cross to bear. Yours is only in Presco


Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Woody Woodham

As a barber here in Prescott Valley I hear calls for Obama's head on a platter on a regular basis. The other day one of my customers actually said, "where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?" I did mention to him that he ought to be careful what he says in public but generally I tend to agree with the one's who tip the best. I have been doing an informal poll and asking those customers who claim to be Christian if they feel a 'real' Christian can be a Democrat. I do feel disappointed that every single one so far has answered no. When political affiliation has become a mark of spirituality I believe that the true meaning of this religion has been lost.

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Free's Peach

As much as I abhor the treatment Karen describes in her letter, I feel like we all need a little reminder here.

The essence of free speech is free thought, belief, and association. That means your neighbor doesn't have to like you and doesn't need to justify why. I say just walk away.


Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Same Here, Karen

@Karen... I could sit and write an editorial also about how I was insulted because I wasn't a Democrat, how "sorry" they felt for me not to be like them, and Arizona is a Republican state. So, let's all jump in the pile and whine and complain how we're treated. There are many states who do a reverse discrimination attitude, with New Mexico as one. They are very rude and ignorant to anyone who isn't their nationality and they don't care what you think, so, I guess the penny has two sides.

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Article comment by: Lynn Grubb

I feel the need to weigh in on this discussion, because I happen to know Karen pretty well. There seems to be some belief that she was so open with her politics that she got what she deserved. Nothing could be further from the truth. Karen keeps her politics (and spiritual views) to herself, and most acquaintances wouldn't have a clue. But she knows what she believes and can be quite articulate when she is pushed. That's all that led to the "shunning".

I think it was a great letter, not about politics but about:

1. Respect for the person and the value of existing relationships, regardless of differing beliefs

2. Respect for the duly-elected President, no matter who currently holds the office.


Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

@@Von Deck, OK, you finally got to the root cause of the entire issue and I'll bite. This issue has an age old heritage. IF you voted and even worse re-voted for Obama and you want to throw that information around publicly, as I call it, "wear it on you sleeve" you will sooner or later be shunned in SOME CIRCLES.
HISTORY on discussing politics, has been cited in print since at least 1840. Even Mark Twain said “Do not discuss politics or religion in general company” as printed from 1879 " as follows:
A rule of etiquette --in business, at the dinner table, at the barbershop and elsewhere—is “never talk about religion or politics.” These subjects are highly contentious and usually result in heated argument instead of general agreement. “Never discuss religion or politics with those who hold opinions opposite to yours”


Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

@Tongue-In-Cheek: I've met some very overzealous liberals, conservatives, anarchists, Christians, atheists, etc. Some people get themselves shunned just for being mean to others. That's not what this is about. The letter writer's talking about getting harshly judged for revealing her voting choices. "Heat" happens because many people are angry about current affairs. Shunning someone seems to be uncalled for unless they're being a total jerk.

Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Sheesh D

Karen must live next to Chris Bergman and Tom Steele.

Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: dutch holland

@what difference does it make.............
couldnt have said it better. thank you.

We all have different ways we believe we should hold to for our voting and other ideals.
some people vote for the democrat party, others vote republican, then there are the libatarians, etc.
I have friends and family who vote different than me, the believe things different than me. so what. It is our freedoms that give us that right.
I am republican, but I do not always vote that way. I vote on platform issues and who holds closer to those things I value. it doesnt matter what 'party' that person is.



Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

@Von Deck, You want to argue like a teenager, change the facts and tell me what I said that I didn't say. You now are trying to proclaim immunity to Liberals NEVER say or get nasty toward a Republican, R U kidding! ALL I SAID WAS "ANYONE" (DEM OR REP) WHO WEARS THEIR POLITICS ON THEIR SLEEVE, BUMPER OR YARD IS "INVITING" A DISAGREEABLE ENVIRONMENT. If you are too sensitive to take a little heat, then "KEEP YOUR POLITICS TO YOURSELF AND YOUR KNOWN GROUPIES". If you can't take the heat, STAY OUT OF THE KITCHEN.

Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Politics as usual

my step mother was Japanese and she was treated so bad in Prescott that she left my Dad and went back to Ca. Prescott is was and will always be city of whites only need apply.

Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Coyote Contraire™

@Nora Morse,
Careful. Your wisdom is showing.
'-..-'


Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

@Tongue-In-Cheek: Here's what you said. You said you're willing to talk politics with conservatives. I assume that means you'll discuss "how screwed up this country has become" with someone sporting a Romney sticker. You also said that those with yard signs and political bumper stickers should be shunned. I'm assuming that some of the folks you're willing to talk politics with are sporting these signs and stickers. Are these conservatives with conservative signs "stuffing things down other people's throats?" If so, you would certainly shun them instead of discussing the state of the nation with them. Are only people you disagree with shoving things down people's throats with Obama signs? If I'm reading your posts correctly, then there's definitely a double standard here and Flo and Eddie are perfectly right. Karen Grubb is talking about you.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Nora Morse

Karen, hang in there. It's not just Prescott...there are petty people everywhere!

As far as judgmental religious folks are concerned, if a person is a nice person, their religion makes them nicer. If a person is mean and intolerant, their religion makes them more mean and intolerant.

Don't expect too much from people and they won't disappoint you.


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

@Von Deck (Read everything)
"If you insist on wearing your politics on your sleeve or your bumper, then you are inviting a disagreeable environment"
Are you saying people wear there politics on their sleeve just because they are so damn proud OR could it be they advertizing for their views thinking I will see their ad and come to their side. Why do people put signs in their yard?


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Tom Von Deck

@Tongue-in-Cheek: It might help if you clarify what it means when someone is trying to change your views. Many people express views and have bumperstickers. Some even post on this site. Is a bumpersticker a way of forcing you to think differently, or are you talking about overzealous folks who won't accept YOU if your beliefs differ from theirs? There's a difference. What particular scenarios can you think of that would cause you to shun someone?

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

@ Flo and Eddie. See you are doing the very thing that turns me off about Liberals,,,"God forbid if someone thinks they can change my views, those who try become shunnies" Do you mind if I shun you for trying to convert my thinking? Keep your politics to yourself and people like me won't shun you. If you insist on wearing your politics on your sleeve or your bumper, then you are inviting a disagreeable environment. Politics is like religion, I will love you dearly until you try to convert me to your religion.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Another Oberser

@An Obrserver
@Tom Steele
Well said An Observer. I would add one point, the term Founding Fathers is used to construe agreement among a group with very disparate backgrounds, ideas and motivations. Mr. Steele, I suggest you read “That’s Not What They Meant! (Reclaiming the Founding Fathers from America’s Right Wing” by Michael Austin. You might learn a few thing not espoused on Faux News.


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Flo & Eddie

@Tongue-in-Cheek .

With such an approach with your neighbors, you and your friends (those you deem worthy to talk with) clearly have no idea that you are part of the problem with why this country is screwed up. Exactly that form of disrespect, no matter how much you try to justify it. You're part of the problem you lament.


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Tongue-in-Cheek .

Best policy to avoid being shunned is not to pass gas in public places. I speak with people all day everyday and I avoid politics until I detect a hint of which way they lean. Only then if they lean left we discuss only the weather, if they lean right, we discuss how screwed up this country has become. God forbid if someone thinks they can change my views, those who try become shunnies

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Founding Father

@An Observer. That would be 'Rich White Men' They weren't all that fond of non land owning white folks either, but your point is well taken.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: NORTHERN STAR

Tom Steele, I will be over to help you pack YOUR bags and move. This town has way to many of you. Karen needs to stay and stand her ground.

Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: An Observer

@ Karen Grubb,
Hang in there.

This Idiot made my POINT.
He should stop listening to Michael Savage and the rest of Right Wing Idiots that SPEW VENOM, don’t you think?

Maybe the Brainwashing, Gun Blasts and Smoke has disrupted the cells in his brain?

(Harley Winslow wrote):
“Liberals are evil. Plain and simple. Why should anyone tolerate evil? If you voted for Obama, you voted for the destruction of America and the Constitution.
You resist evil. Liberals are evil, and every last one is guilty of treason.”


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Dear: Karen

Ever viewed "Billy Jack"?

How about "Born Losers"?

Shot in Prescott back in the good old days.


Posted: Friday, February 08, 2013
Article comment by: Evil Liberal

Harley, you are wrong that every intelligent person knows that liberals are evil, because I am a pretty intelligent person and I never knew that. Thanks for pointing it out.

I guess now that I am informed, I should mend my ways. I don't want any of that treason stuff. I think I will change my vote. Can I still vote for Barry Goldwater? And will my neighbors like me if I do?



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