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11/16/2012 9:58:00 PM
Letter: Low speed limits seem like a trap


I have to wonder why the people in your town have not rebelled against the ridiculously low speed limits and predatory photo enforcement in Prescott Valley. Do the police filter out the locals and just stick it to the visitors? I was driving on a wide, four-lane street driving the a whopping 45 mph on a street that should be rated 65 any where else in Arizona. The only reasonable explanation for a 35 mph speed limit in the middle of Glassford Hill Road is civic greed and a purposeful intent to extort money from unwary visitors.

I was here to invest in this community, but I have canceled my business, checked out of my hotel early and will never return to the town of Prescott Valley again.

Verne Whidden

Poway, Calif.

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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: Reverend Rafa'elmo

The 35mph speed limit on Glassford is near the school intersection and in the business realm of glassford. If you believe it should be 65mph you are nuts, and deserve a speeding ticket.
No wonder why!
This ain't L.A. sweetie!

Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: O O

TO O, yes I really was an officer. What you agree with is cronie law enforcement. All your drivel, about times changing is crap. What the town is doing is illegal, that is the main reason it is no longer done in at the state level, judges were throwing the cases out. If you were truly the good citizen, you would not be picking laws that suite you. Just like pot smoking, it is still against the law. If you don't like the law change it, but it will never happen with photo radar, it is too unpopular with most people. So go sheeple until all of the rest of society is as corrupt as you are.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: O about sums you up


The "sheeple" (as you so eloquently put it...) abused their rights a long time ago when it comes to safe operation of motor vehicles. (If you really had been an officer, you'd know that better than most people. FYI, not a good idea to claim being an officer if it's disengenuous...)

If we could trust people to do the right thing and obey traffic laws, we wouldn't even need technology like photo radar.

Your rights are not given freely, they come with certain responsibilities.

Alas, we have abused our freedoms and what you call "rights." Therefore, creative enforcement efforts must be undertaken to protect the greater good.

Oh, and I could care less if you leave town or not. Even if you did leave, there's still plenty more misguided folks just like you out there.

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: O O

TO OO ,sheeple like you are willing to give your rights away, don't give away mine. Your analogy is asnine, An officer has the right and duty to speed in certain situations. Breaking the law because they can get away with it is a crime,. not simplistic. You are a classic example of what is wrong in America. Oh you forgot to put in the part about telling me to leave town. I also have put in 21 years as an officer. Just because your OK with it does not make it legal, or is that too much for you to comprehend?

Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: TO: O O

I'm perfectly fine with it. Get over it.

(You do realize that when an officer chases down a speeding car, he too has to speed - even greater than the speeder. Perhaps they shouldn't do that either...) Your grade school, simplistic analogy simply isn't germane.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: O O

For all you people that say don't break the law, and you will be fine. How do you feel when the town breaks the law daily, every time the put those mobile vans out on the side walk , private property, in the bike lane and other places only emergency vehicles are allowed to park. Mobile radar vans are owned by a private company, and it takes more than slapping a decal on the side to qualify as a police vehicle. Look up the ARS. Ignorance is bliss.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: Public Safety Matters

Clearly the answer to the problem is to eliminate ALL motorized vehicles within the city limits. This would eliminate the need for speed limits (unless you are really fast on a bike) and increase public safety.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: Photo Enforcement Makes Safer Streets. Period.

Those that believe photo enforcement exists to increase revenue simply don't know the facts. It simply is not true.

Sadly, they can't be educated on the issue because they'd rather believe in conspiracy theories and government domination. No need to let facts get in your way when it's easier to succumb to your paranoia and voice your ill-informed complaints.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: Travis T.

I've lived in PV for 6 years and came from the Northwest.

My father, a retired police chief of a larger community, visited and commented that the speed limits on certain roads in PV were too low and that the traffic cameras were placed in areas simply to generate revenue and not increase safety.

This from a neutral party who had 4 decades of law enforcement experience and multiple degrees and awards.

I blame the city officials for their blatant love of money over their citizenry, and the residents who continue to vote for such people.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: Hey Verne....

How did Prescott Valley get the ticket mailed to your hotel room, so you could check out early? Sounds like your story is embellished. Stick to the facts and you may have a little more credibility.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: H B

cruise control = no tickets
and if you can't use it ,
then there is too much traffic to speed.

Posted: Monday, November 19, 2012
Article comment by: ROY IN PRESCOTT

Roy thanks for being a sheeple, and proving my point. Please feel free to take your own advice. OH YES

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: @ jasmine black

that stupid dollar store is probably where you will be using your ebt card , democrat.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: Roy in Prescott

To: Oh Yes. Not only do you contradict yourself, you have the amazing ability to make yourself sound as miserable as the people you describe. Maybe a move away from the tri-city area would create a better outlook on life for you. I can give you a map.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: Um Yeah

There's an 8 mile difference between Prescott Valley and Prescott. I know Prescott likes to think they're Holier Than Thou, but honestly, don't waste your time even coming back here Verne. Obviously 'Everbody's Home Town' is not so friendly.

And everybody hates California for the drivers, I assume? Yes, it's ghastly how they need to get somewhere in a timely fashion and actually go the speed limit. The horror!

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: OH YES

@oh yes, dont think, it hurts the team. If the shoe fits, by all means, wear it.



@OH YES, dont think it hurts the team. If the shoe fits then by all means wear it.


Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: @ OH YES

It looks to me that you are posting a few "bad mouth" comments yourself that sound pretty rude as well. Sounds as if there are the same "type" of people that you describe where you live (or am I generalizing too much)? At first I thought that you were just an incredible snob. My mistake.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: OH YES

Beside the speed limits being low in PV, there is another thing in PV that is low, many residents have no class. From bad mouthing posters on this blog, fighting at kids football, to the vocal parents at the high school shooting off their mouths at sporting events, to the general rudeness of a lot of the residents. The attitude by many Pv residents shows their willingness to saddle their insecurities, and lack of ability to think for themselves to everyone. They give away everyones rights so they may feel safe. What a miserable existence.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: Wish we'll get anti-photo radar candidates

PV election season is open. I'd run if I could, but my job doesn't allow it. But if candidates come out against the local photo radar speed traps, I'd vote for them. I'm all for reasonable speeds. But some speed zones in town are ridiculously low. 30 on a section of Robert Road by the HUSD administrative offices? (It's not a high school, and it was a huge waste of taxes). 25 in a lot of non-residential areas? Lakeshore Drive 25, then 30? I could continue, but the only thing that will get the PV town officials' attention is a sensible town council that doesn't want to keep running off visitors and potential investors.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: 'Its all about me.'

There it is. But its really 'all about us.'

I don't see a conspiracy to rob people here as some posters do. I see a rule that if broken results in a fine.

Rules are targeted towards everyone not just people from Poway.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: r b

Seems like a trap? Well it is a trap, no, more like a duck pond, with the purpose of revenue for PV.
I hope you will visit again, Verne. Next time bypass Prescott Valley completely and come visit the more visitor friendly Prescott.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: Ever fished for outspoken speeders on court websites? I have. What a haul!

Municipalities reap only a miniscule fraction of revenue generated by traffic tickets, so issuing them is hardly a money-making scheme for Prescott Valley.

Joke all you want about making children safer. Truth is for each 1 mph decrease in vehicular speed, the risk of injury and death in the event of a collision drops for vehicle occupants, motorcyclists, bicyclists and pedestrians.

An 11 mph grace allowance over the posted speed limit is far too generous. There should be zero tolerance. Believe me, word would get out fast and all the speed demons would knock off their lead-footed misbehavior simply to avoid paying the fiddler. On our residential street in Prescott, egocentric drivers speed significantly every day. They obviously don't care what they're doing to our corner of the world, but hit them and their ilk with hefty fines and you bet they'll change their ways.

Don't waste time appealing to a conscience that isn't in evidence. Aim straight for that wallet. If fined speeders direct royal temper tantrums at town, city or county leaders, do what works with all toddlers. Wait it out. They'll settle down, maybe take a nap and eventually decide complying with speed limits is just plain easier than exhausting their pricey, once-every-two-years traffic school option and, after that, paying tickets that are accessible online for all to see AND ponying up for their increased insurance rates.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: @ Verne Whidden

Good thing for us residents that you feel this way. Your kind is not needed here. Maybe you should be known as Verne Whinin'.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: Cereally .

Most of you seem to have a hard time reading, or just make up things as you go along. No where in the letter (read it at least 5 times just to make sure) does it say the letter writer received a ticket. The point of the letter is to truly point out the artificially low speed limits in areas of Prescott Valley which, if you live in Prescott Valley you know that this town indeed has low speed limits that don't seem consistent with the flow of normal traffic or the location itself.

Yes, there are 3 schools all within a 1/4 mile of each other on Glassford (close to the road that is), than nothing but commercial and generally vacate property with a multitude of stop lights that seem to have a mind of there own (going south that is). On the north end, it is all a tucked away subdivision with private, traffic controlled entrances.

I'm no traffic expert and I don't even have a solution, but I have driven in many places around the mid-west and outside of Boulder, NV I haven't really experienced such crazy speed limits as I have here.

Eventually, walking speeds will be too fast around here and there will be a stop light on each and every corner no matter how ridiculous it seems but if it makes a small segment of Prescott Valley happy and rolling in dough then you know it'll be done.

Posted: Sunday, November 18, 2012
Article comment by: speed limit

I wish we had Red light cameras & Speed cameras in Chino Valley & Prescott
they should be in all citys
I dont know how many times i have had some one pass me after i have stopped for the Red light

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