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10/22/2013 6:00:00 AM
Letter: Republicans fearful Obamacare will work

EDITOR:

I honestly don't understand why the Congressional Republicans are attacking the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) so viciously. They're trying their very best, indeed staking their careers, on bringing it down.

They're trying to convince the country that if it goes into effect it will ruin the economy, make people lose their jobs, cause people to die or get inferior healthcare. They are absolutely frantic to disqualify it.

If they really think Obamacare is so bad, why not let it go through and have the American people see for themselves how bad it is so they can discredit this administration? Or could it be that if the ACA goes through, it will prove to be a boon to healthcare like Medicare and Medicaid?

Are they afraid that it will be vindicated, actually work well for people, bring down the deficit? Are they afraid the only jobs lost will be their own?

Between the voter suppression laws legislators are trying to pass and their all-out attack on Obamacare, you have to wonder just what Congressional Republicans fear.

Susan Lanning

Prescott








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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: NE MO

Do you think Obama would want this healthcare for his own family, NO. This healthcare effects all of the country, both parties, rich and poor. What an arrogant commentary to post. Obama has finally failed both parties, now, it's time to sit back and watch him wiggle out of this one.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: It Had Better Work.

Over 600,000 heath insurance policies with major companies have been cancelled this month that were employer supplied. When Obamacare was devised it was anticipated that many small companies would stop providing insurance because it would save them money and because a lot of those people could get the subsidy. I know a guy with 15 employees at an ice cream store in Phx, and he did exactly that. He gave them enough of a raise to cover their part. Of course they have to pay taxes on it and that was also part of the Obamacare strategy: more taxes on the middel class. Now they are scrambling to get coverage. This could be a mess. There could be more uninsured come January 1st than there are now.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

@ Michelle Star: Well you don't wanna pay taxes for military? Well I don't want to pay taxes for Social Security or Medicare either. If I could have invested the $6500/year I put into SS over the time that I contributed I'd have WAY more than the measly $2500/month they're gonna pay me. And I'd opt out of Medicare too. I'm paying in like $8k/year forever. I could have a million buck in the bank for catastrophic policy and medical bills.
Hey, I noticed that a year ago Democrats polled said they were only 22% dissatisfied with the Democratic congress. Now it's up to 59%. Thank you President Obama for the next Tea Party romp in 2014. IT'S COMING BABY!


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Nope & strange last 5 years

I don't believe anybody is fearful obamacare is going to work! It's failing all on it's own.
The web site doesn't even work! The people running it are being asked to step down.
It's off to a marvelous start! LOL!
The government doesn't work (even when their open)!
The president doesn't work!
We need to clean house!
Why waste my energy with anything relating to this clown circus administration.
Mr. obama is too far left, Bush was to far right we need someone down the middle to go forward rather than zig-zag our country through the maze of destruction and debt.
It's all been nope and strange to many of us these last 5 years!
It's even getting stranger by the day!


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Thomas Paine

While not explicitly mentioned in the constitution, public health has been widely accepted as a function of government almost since the founding of the nation (Adams in 1798 if memory serves started the Public Health Service for sailors) and was accepted as a part of general welfare by libertarian economists like Smith. Similarly the military was established for the general welfare (more precisely protection from foreign invaders). Michelle is correct that health is a reasonable function of government, as are roads, police, courts, border protection (which should be a military function in my mind), and yes the military (although she disputes this last point in some disjointed logic). Single payer healthcare is not absurd, it is reasonable and prudent to afford all citizens access to government health as well as allowing the free market to offer additional services. What is absurd is employer based health care and government providing services to some but not others.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Article comment by: Hooty Hoo

Wrong Hooty as usual, getting your information from Fox News failed you again.

Congress buys their insurance from the Exchange same as anyone else. No exemptions.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

Hokas your true colors show, greedy and selfish. You liked the old days when 80% had health insurance. Worked for you. Sure it did, but what if suddenly you no longer had insurance, because you got sick, lost your job and were turned down at buying insurance at any cost because of your pre-existing illness.

Well that could never happen to you, could it.

If I sound bitter, it's because as a highly compensated person who planned my life and finances making big money and working my whole life up to that point, never being unemployed, never getting sick, never been without insurance for decades, it happened to me.

Now I didn't work that hard, and save all the money I did to suddenly have the rug pulled out dorm under me, to go broke and spend all the money that should have been enough for me and my family to live the rest of our lives by going bankrupt trying to pay the OVER INFLATED health care bills driven by our broken health care system. If it happened to me it can happen to anyone.

Thus us the only Country in the world where thus can happen.

80% coverage is not good enough for the richest and strongest country in the world.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: J K

Hokas. Your little scenario about the bronze plan is based on what? Your undying support of the sysyem that encouraged that practice before?
Consider. One emergency visit for a life threatening emergency will eat up the deductable, if your unlikely scenario plays out as you undoubtedly hope it will. Subsequent healthcare will not require a deductible.
Further, the people most likely to show up in the ER before Obamacare,( those that make less than 133% of poverty income), have no deductible and instead will just go to their doctor. The ER was their only choice before Obamacare.
Lastly, the Bronze insurance plan terms are nothing new. People who had them before Obamacare and simply called them catastrophic health ins plans and were chosen by people that were healthy. People with families ,especially sick families, are likely to choose silver, gold or platinum coverage.& because of the ACA tax credits will likely pay less for insurance than before. Further, they will be allowed to buy insurance if they have preexisting conditions. Again, they had no other choice before Obamacare but to show up at the ER. Now they have access to health ins..


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

Hey Hokas (useful idiot), wow how ignorant and off base is your comment, that the Doctor won't see you for 30 days if you have a Bronze plan. No where in the ACA does it call for that. People have different plans now at different costs with out effect to how quickly they see a doctor.

The way it currently works in any Doctor's office as to how quickly you can get an appointment has to do with what's wrong. Let's say you want a physical exam. Nothing's wrong just want your annual check up. Maybe it does take a month. It might currently be this way. Verses the person that calls in and says I have a bad cough or fever. Those people get in right away. Just because I have Medicare doesn't make me wait months to see my doctor.

Next if someone has a Bronze plan and goes to the Emergency room then THEY HAVE INSURANCE TO COVER THE VISIT. It is not the same as an uninsured showing up expecting free treatment.

Hokas you really should think before you write.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: One thing is for SURE!! !!

One thing is for sure.

We can spend money.

1. We have the largest and most expensive military in the world. By some estimates larger and more expensive than the next 15 countries. Includes China
2. We have the most incarcerated people in the world. Most expensive too.
3. We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world. Not the best by any imagination.
4. We have the most complaining and whining people in the world.



Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Bane Capitol

The Next Shiny Object, Immigration Reform. (Whew, the Republicans were really worried we'd ALL keep talking about the Shut-down) A little more light to your shallow generalizations Granville. Regardless of anyone's Immigration Status you have to be Dirt Poor to even Qualify for Food Stamps, eating on $4.50 a day is Not what most honest people would call "The Gravy Train". Other forms of Government Assistance are difficult to get and meager also. Of the 26 States (All Republican) that Refused Obamacare Federal Medicaid participation, 17 are the Biggest "Taker" states meaning they "Receive" More from the Federal Government than they "Pay in" Taxes. Mississippi is the "Poorest", their refusal cost their Taxpayers 52 Million a year for Free Healthcare visits to the ER by the uninsured. Texas, home of Canadian born Ted Cruz, The Mouth that Roared, has the MOST uninsured Children of any state in America. Everyone KNOWS the GOP Game, generate Base Anger by making gullible people think "Others" are getting something "They" aren't getting. How pathetic and desperate.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Barnaby Wild

Gran,
Imigrants work because business owners hire them.

It is false that they will be insured by the ACA.

It is true that Ronald Reagan signed the law that requires emergency rooms to provide care to everyone regardless of status or ability to pay.

Your opinions are not based on facts.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Hey Hokas Pokas

What changes would you make to Medicare to make it solvent?

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Granville Gran

@ Kathy Svendsen: It was a 2009 proposal that didn't pass. Because nothing much will change. Illegal immigrants get virtually free insurance as it is today, why state it in the bill when it's already happening?

Today, Illegal immigrants work here when they aren't supposed to, they get food stamps here when they're not supposed to, they get access to state health insurance by not being required to reveal their immigration status on the applications. The applications specifically state that they don't have to state their immigration status... Their children are educated in their schools by the same method.

It is now considered racist to question someone about their immigration status for the purposes of obtaining health care, etc. Convenient, hmm?

Illegal immigrants will be insured under Obamacare, just as they are now. Nothing has changed. And nothing will change.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: WOW MICHELLE REALLY IS BRAIN DEAD

"Letís move on to a single payer system where we all contribute and share in everyoneís health care."


THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM, I WORK AND PAY TAXES SO THAT PEOPLE THAT DON'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING CAN BENEFIT FROM ME.

YOU TRULY ARE BRAIN DEAD.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

@ Michelle Star:

Not only is your reasoning absurd, it is pathetic and ignorant.

As I write these words (and, presumably, as you read them) I am comfortable, safe and secure because there are men and women in faraway places playing a lethal game. They are dutifully watching radar screens, satellite images, and even looking through binoculars. Some are deep beneath the ocean or on the bridge of a ship. Some are at frigid air bases making sure that that fighter jet will be able to launch at a momentís notice and that all its systems will work FLAWLESSLY. Some may simply be standing at a guard post, at any hour, in any weather, just watching. They do these jobs without fanfare. These dedicated people go about their business quietly without complaint. This role has been played out for decades. They insure OUR comfort, security and safety. And simply because they are there our enemies dare not harm any American (or our allies, for that matter). AND YOU, LIKE MANY AMERICANS, ARE TOO DAMN SELFISH AND IGNORANT TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR PURPOSE AND EXISTENCE.

The U.S. Constitution does not force you to stay here.


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

@ Article Comment:

You illustrate yet another area of illogical and fuzzy thinking. Because someone has health insurance does not mean they will receive health care! Here is the likely scenario: You have health insurance because of Obamacare. You are sick. You call the doctor's office for an appointment. They ask if you have the bronze, silver or gold plan. You have bronze (the cheapest). The soonest you can see the doctor is in 30 days and you have to pay your Obamacare co-pay up front and meet your deductible. You don't like that. You are sick NOW. You go to the emergency room NOW for treatment.

The moral of the story: we will continue to pay for needless emergency room visits. Obamacare will do absolutely nothing to prevent this and it will likely cost us all MORE money!


Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

@ Article Comment:

I have no doubt that it is easy to sign up for Medicare. That is not the issue. It is the cost, an area where I find most liberals are "challenged."

From the "2013 ANNUAL REPORT OF THE BOARDS OF TRUSTEES OF THE FEDERAL HOSPITAL INSURANCE AND FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTARY MEDICAL INSURANCE TRUST FUNDS" (2013 Medicare Trustees Report):

"The financial projections in this report indicate a need for additional steps to address Medicareís remaining financial challenges . . . Congress and the executive branch must work closely together with a sense of urgency to address the depletion of the HI trust fund and the projected growth in HI (Part A) and SMI (Parts B and D) expenditures."

Medicare will go broke and is being mismanaged by our government.

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/Downloads/TR2013.pdf


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: @ michelle star

Awesome, your worried about a " germ invasion". I am so glad that your not mentally stable enough to run for any kind of office.

Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: WOW IT IS OFFICIAL

MICHELLE STAR AND SUSAN LANNING BOTH LIVE IN LALA LAND.

"Civilized countries realize protection of their citizens health goes a lot farther than a military organization."

WOW, I just do not know how to respond to this.


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

Wow maybe you should change your handle to Hokey,

Your comment based on Medicare not being well run is totally off base and shows everyone that you have no experience with Medicare.

Why not ask your older friends that have Medicare. It is the simplest to use, simplest to sign up for, most accepted and lowest cost insurance available.

And since the Affordable Care Act was passed, average Medicare Advantage premiums are down by 9.8 percent. The deductible for standard Part D drug plans in 2014 will be $310, a $15 decline.

Can you say that about your Private Insurance.

Think before you speak.


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: Hokas Pokas

Hey Hokas, people buy their own insurance from Private Insurance Companies.

The current problem is the problem you describe, that is under current law anyone without insurance can show up at Emergency and the hospital has to preform treatment. These are the costs that get passed onto others to pay.

The ACA will go a long way in solving this problem as after 2014 there will be less uninsured haunting the Emergency Rooms.

Better rethink your so called facts.


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: michelle star

"Your reasoning is absurd."

No it isn't. Why does the constitution force me to pay for military protection that I feel I may not need? I would rather keep the portion of my taxes that fund the military. Hokas Pokas can pay for the Army and Navy, I don't want to.

Hokas, why am I forced to pay for your military protection when I don't want it?

You don't squawk about paying for military protection that covers all Americans even though some Americans donít pay any federal income tax. You pay to keep the foreign invader away while some of those Americans donít contribute a dime.

What difference does is make if we're all destroyed by World War III or a mass pandemic? Both may be preventable if all Americans are afforded personal health care and military services paid by everyone's contributions.

Civilized countries realize protection of their citizens health goes a lot farther than a military organization.

Affordable health care, military protection and public education should be a right for all American citizens and their families. Letís move on to a single payer system where we all contribute and share in everyoneís health care.


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: michelle star

"Your reasoning is absurd."

No it isn't. Why does the constitution force me to pay for military protection that I feel I may not need? I would rather keep the portion of my taxes that fund the military. Hokas Pokas can pay for the Army and Navy, I don't want to.
Hokas, why am I forced to pay for your military protection when I don't want it?

You don't squawk about paying for military protection that covers all Americans even though some Americans donít pay any fedreal income tax.You pay to keep the foregin invader away while some of those Americans donít contribute a dime.

What difference does is make if we're all destroyed by World War III or a mass pandemic? Both may be preventable if all Americans are afforded personal health care and military services paid by everyone's contributions.
Civilized countries realize protection of their citizens health goes a lot farther than a military organization.

Affordable health care, military protection and public education should be a right for all American citizens and their families. Letís move on to a single payer system where we all contribute and share in everyoneís health care..


Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: J K

So Hooty. You are going to get In trouble with the tea partners. You are claiming that the congressional staffers are in full compliance with Obamacare as they will have employer sponsored healthcare insurance. And, as with many employer sponsored health insurance plans, their employer, the government, will contribute 75% of the premium. Too bad they don't work for the Long Beach P.D. like your friend Buz. He recently bragged that the LBPD paid for all his health insurance as part of his benefit package. Probably something his union negotiated for him.


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